From husmith at calpoly.edu  Thu Mar  2 13:23:54 2006
From: husmith at calpoly.edu (Hugh Smith)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:23:54 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
Message-ID: <4407626A.5030601@calpoly.edu>


Emacs!

What have you all graduated?

Hugh


From akeen at falcon.csc.calpoly.edu  Thu Mar  2 13:28:34 2006
From: akeen at falcon.csc.calpoly.edu (Aaron Keen)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:28:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
Message-ID: <200603022128.k22LSYKf025536@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>


>From: Hugh Smith <husmith at calpoly.edu>
>
>Emacs!

   Threads rule!!



From bwagner at netprl.cpe.calpoly.edu  Thu Mar  2 14:30:17 2006
From: bwagner at netprl.cpe.calpoly.edu (bwagner at netprl.cpe.calpoly.edu)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:30:17 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Testing - whitelist for *calpoly.edu addresses
Message-ID: <200603022230.k22MUHUL002756@netprl.cpe.calpoly.edu>



From pharkas at gmail.com  Thu Mar  2 14:20:46 2006
From: pharkas at gmail.com (Jacob Farkas)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 14:20:46 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <200603022128.k22LSYKf025536@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
References: <200603022128.k22LSYKf025536@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
Message-ID: <D32CC228-BA6B-4A41-B89F-C64E00C4F5FF@gmail.com>

On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:28 PM, Aaron Keen wrote:

>> From: Hugh Smith <husmith at calpoly.edu>
>>
>> Emacs!
>
>    Threads rule!!

Everyone Loves Gnome!


From rpeterso at calpoly.edu  Thu Mar  2 06:50:04 2006
From: rpeterso at calpoly.edu (Rohen Peterson)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 14:50:04 +0000
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Gnome
In-Reply-To: <D32CC228-BA6B-4A41-B89F-C64E00C4F5FF@gmail.com>
References: <200603022128.k22LSYKf025536@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
	<D32CC228-BA6B-4A41-B89F-C64E00C4F5FF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4407061C.6050907@calpoly.edu>

Die gnome...die silently and take your GTK with you.  Might as well kill
off KDE too.  QT bites.

Long live ion.

Rohen Peterson

Jacob Farkas wrote:
> On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:28 PM, Aaron Keen wrote:
> 
>>> From: Hugh Smith <husmith at calpoly.edu>
>>>
>>> Emacs!
>>
>>    Threads rule!!
> 
> Everyone Loves Gnome!
> _______________________________________________
> Chatter mailing list
> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter
> 


From cplug at condordes.net  Thu Mar  2 15:27:23 2006
From: cplug at condordes.net (Joshua J. Berry)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:27:23 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <D32CC228-BA6B-4A41-B89F-C64E00C4F5FF@gmail.com>
References: <200603022128.k22LSYKf025536@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
	<D32CC228-BA6B-4A41-B89F-C64E00C4F5FF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44077F5B.1010402@condordes.net>

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Jacob Farkas wrote:
> Everyone Loves Gnome!

Bah.  You can keep your pseudo-object-oriented C silliness.  Me, I'll take
my specialized preprocessors any day.

(Besides, Qt Designer rocks, and every other UI designer sucks.  That's just
all there is to it.)


- --
Joshua J. Berry

"I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere."
    -- /usr/games/fortune
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From bswagner at calpoly.edu  Thu Mar  2 16:07:55 2006
From: bswagner at calpoly.edu (Red Wagner)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:07:55 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <D32CC228-BA6B-4A41-B89F-C64E00C4F5FF@gmail.com>
References: <200603022128.k22LSYKf025536@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
	<D32CC228-BA6B-4A41-B89F-C64E00C4F5FF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1141344475.12602.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Does anyone know of a tiling window manager compatible with gnome that
doesn't suck?  I'm looking for a window manager, that will, you know,
manage my windows.

-Red

On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 14:20 -0800, Jacob Farkas wrote:
> On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:28 PM, Aaron Keen wrote:
> 
> >> From: Hugh Smith <husmith at calpoly.edu>
> >>
> >> Emacs!
> >
> >    Threads rule!!
> 
> Everyone Loves Gnome!
> _______________________________________________
> Chatter mailing list
> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter



From philip at shuman.org  Thu Mar  2 16:55:48 2006
From: philip at shuman.org (Philip Shuman)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 16:55:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <1141344475.12602.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <200603022128.k22LSYKf025536@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
	<D32CC228-BA6B-4A41-B89F-C64E00C4F5FF@gmail.com>
	<1141344475.12602.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603021654030.5780@x.mikeynet.com>

I simply start 'X&' without a window manager for each application then use 
Ctrl-Alt-F7 etc. to switch between them. Who needs to resize windows or 
cut and paste between them?

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Red Wagner wrote:

> Does anyone know of a tiling window manager compatible with gnome that
> doesn't suck?  I'm looking for a window manager, that will, you know,
> manage my windows.
>
> -Red

---------------------------------------------------
   Philip Shuman                            KG6EBV
   http://www.shuman.org  philip at shuman dot org
---------------------------------------------------


From rpeterso at calpoly.edu  Thu Mar  2 09:40:00 2006
From: rpeterso at calpoly.edu (Rohen Peterson)
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 17:40:00 +0000
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603021654030.5780@x.mikeynet.com>
References: <200603022128.k22LSYKf025536@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>	<D32CC228-BA6B-4A41-B89F-C64E00C4F5FF@gmail.com>	<1141344475.12602.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0603021654030.5780@x.mikeynet.com>
Message-ID: <44072DF0.1070702@calpoly.edu>

IONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

Philip Shuman wrote:
> I simply start 'X&' without a window manager for each application then
> use Ctrl-Alt-F7 etc. to switch between them. Who needs to resize windows
> or cut and paste between them?
> 
> On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Red Wagner wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know of a tiling window manager compatible with gnome that
>> doesn't suck?  I'm looking for a window manager, that will, you know,
>> manage my windows.
>>
>> -Red
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
>   Philip Shuman                            KG6EBV
>   http://www.shuman.org  philip at shuman dot org
> ---------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Chatter mailing list
> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter
> 


From ryan at ryandubois.net  Thu Mar  2 18:10:17 2006
From: ryan at ryandubois.net (Ryan du Bois)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 18:10:17 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <200603022128.k22LSYKf025536@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
References: <200603022128.k22LSYKf025536@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
Message-ID: <37E35A93-3AD9-406E-BD0F-E7AA36DF0D8B@ryandubois.net>


>
>> From: Hugh Smith <husmith at calpoly.edu>
>>
>> Emacs!
>
>    Threads rule!!

Everyone knows it's pronounced threeed.

>
> _______________________________________________
> Chatter mailing list
> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter

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safety
   deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
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From akeen at falcon.csc.calpoly.edu  Thu Mar  2 23:34:49 2006
From: akeen at falcon.csc.calpoly.edu (Aaron Keen)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:34:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
Message-ID: <200603030734.k237YnGk003420@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>


>Does anyone know of a tiling window manager compatible with gnome that

   Oh my god!  Seriously?  Smith tries to start a flame war about something
important, and it degrades into a discussion about window managers?
Window managers?!?! What has the world come to?

   And "threed"?  Nice try, but no.



From andrew at andrewfarris.com  Fri Mar  3 03:36:54 2006
From: andrew at andrewfarris.com (Andrew J Farris)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 03:36:54 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <200603030734.k237YnGk003420@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
References: <200603030734.k237YnGk003420@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
Message-ID: <44082A56.1020401@andrewfarris.com>

Aaron Keen wrote:
>    Oh my god!  Seriously?  Smith tries to start a flame war about something
> important, and it degrades into a discussion about window managers?
> Window managers?!?! What has the world come to?

Windows with drop shadows and transparency are very imporant thank you 
very much.. how else will my incessant theme wrangling look quite so pretty?

- andrew

... here I go stepping up to that challenge and don't even reply to list 
right! second try :)


From matt68000 at mac.com  Fri Mar  3 03:47:33 2006
From: matt68000 at mac.com (matthew du puy)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 03:47:33 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <200603030734.k237YnGk003420@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
Message-ID: <C02D6CD5.7960%matt68000@mac.com>

I hate to see a good flamebait go productive.

Eclipse! Have you gone through some of the language and gui tutorials built
in to the editor? Who needs books anymore? Not me. Emacs... pshhh...

Oh yeah. Bill gates sucks! Down with free market economy!


>> Does anyone know of a tiling window manager compatible with gnome that
> 
>    Oh my god!  Seriously?  Smith tries to start a flame war about something
> important, and it degrades into a discussion about window managers?
> Window managers?!?! What has the world come to?
> 
>    And "threed"?  Nice try, but no.




From akeen at falcon.csc.calpoly.edu  Fri Mar  3 08:59:40 2006
From: akeen at falcon.csc.calpoly.edu (Aaron Keen)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 08:59:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
Message-ID: <200603031659.k23Gxewg001442@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>

>Eclipse! Have you gone through some of the language and gui tutorials built
>in to the editor? Who needs books anymore? Not me. Emacs... pshhh...

   Eclipse is pico with syntax coloring and intellisense.  Stick that in
your pipe and smoke it.



From husmith at calpoly.edu  Fri Mar  3 09:07:22 2006
From: husmith at calpoly.edu (Hugh Smith)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 09:07:22 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <200603031659.k23Gxewg001442@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
References: <200603031659.k23Gxewg001442@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
Message-ID: <440877CA.4030607@calpoly.edu>

This talk has degraded into a discussion on window managers and IDEs... 
which is understandable since Emacs is the best in both categories.

Glad to know you all are alive.  My job is done here.

Hugh

Aaron Keen wrote:
>>Eclipse! Have you gone through some of the language and gui tutorials built
>>in to the editor? Who needs books anymore? Not me. Emacs... pshhh...
> 
> 
>    Eclipse is pico with syntax coloring and intellisense.  Stick that in
> your pipe and smoke it.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chatter mailing list
> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter



From brian.wagner at gmail.com  Fri Mar  3 09:58:51 2006
From: brian.wagner at gmail.com (Brian Wagner)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:58:51 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <200603030734.k237YnGk003420@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
References: <200603030734.k237YnGk003420@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
Message-ID: <53129ef70603030958m3366f3f1wc6f380f5361f9ad1@mail.gmail.com>

Well, for me, the editor wars are null and void, as I use neither vi nor
emacs.

When _I_ want to edit a file, I just crack open the computer case and flip
bits on the hard drive manually with a neodyme magnet.

Coincidentally, I've found when programming in lisp, all one has to do
is create a golden spiral on the hard drive of about the size you feel
your program should be and the output is always correct.  It works for
me, anyway.

Of course, when i get lazy, I just use a hex editor.

-Red

PS  The best thing is Ryan's not joking about his multi-threeding
capabilites.


On 3/2/06, Aaron Keen <akeen at falcon.csc.calpoly.edu> wrote:
>
>
> >Does anyone know of a tiling window manager compatible with gnome that
>
>    Oh my god!  Seriously?  Smith tries to start a flame war about
> something
> important, and it degrades into a discussion about window managers?
> Window managers?!?! What has the world come to?
>
>    And "threed"?  Nice try, but no.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chatter mailing list
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From jkienzle at calpoly.edu  Fri Mar  3 10:12:22 2006
From: jkienzle at calpoly.edu (Johannes Kienzle)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:12:22 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <440877CA.4030607@calpoly.edu>
References: <200603031659.k23Gxewg001442@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
	<440877CA.4030607@calpoly.edu>
Message-ID: <44088706.9050501@calpoly.edu>

Why is this even being discussed? We all know vim is the solution to all 
problems, including world hunger and AIDS.

Johannes


Hugh Smith wrote:

> This talk has degraded into a discussion on window managers and 
> IDEs... which is understandable since Emacs is the best in both 
> categories.
>
> Glad to know you all are alive.  My job is done here.
>
> Hugh
>
> Aaron Keen wrote:
>
>>> Eclipse! Have you gone through some of the language and gui 
>>> tutorials built
>>> in to the editor? Who needs books anymore? Not me. Emacs... pshhh...
>>
>>
>>
>>    Eclipse is pico with syntax coloring and intellisense.  Stick that in
>> your pipe and smoke it.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chatter mailing list
>> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
>> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chatter mailing list
> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter
>
>


From rpeterso at calpoly.edu  Fri Mar  3 03:37:07 2006
From: rpeterso at calpoly.edu (Rohen Peterson)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 11:37:07 +0000
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <44088706.9050501@calpoly.edu>
References: <200603031659.k23Gxewg001442@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>	<440877CA.4030607@calpoly.edu>
	<44088706.9050501@calpoly.edu>
Message-ID: <44082A63.4090705@calpoly.edu>

No, solving AIDS and hunger comes with that add-on for Emacs.  VIM just
is a great tool to code with, which apparently doesn't sate those who
need an in-editor gaming module with a news ticker.

Rohen Peterson

Johannes Kienzle wrote:
> Why is this even being discussed? We all know vim is the solution to all
> problems, including world hunger and AIDS.
> 
> Johannes
> 
> 
> Hugh Smith wrote:
> 
>> This talk has degraded into a discussion on window managers and
>> IDEs... which is understandable since Emacs is the best in both
>> categories.
>>
>> Glad to know you all are alive.  My job is done here.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> Aaron Keen wrote:
>>
>>>> Eclipse! Have you gone through some of the language and gui
>>>> tutorials built
>>>> in to the editor? Who needs books anymore? Not me. Emacs... pshhh...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    Eclipse is pico with syntax coloring and intellisense.  Stick that in
>>> your pipe and smoke it.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chatter mailing list
>>> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
>>> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chatter mailing list
>> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
>> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Chatter mailing list
> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter
> 


From philip at shuman.org  Fri Mar  3 11:46:40 2006
From: philip at shuman.org (Philip Shuman)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:46:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <44082A63.4090705@calpoly.edu>
References: <200603031659.k23Gxewg001442@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
	<440877CA.4030607@calpoly.edu> <44088706.9050501@calpoly.edu>
	<44082A63.4090705@calpoly.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603031146040.5780@x.mikeynet.com>

Right. Vim is for Helping poor children in Uganda.

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Rohen Peterson wrote:

> No, solving AIDS and hunger comes with that add-on for Emacs.  VIM just
> is a great tool to code with, which apparently doesn't sate those who
> need an in-editor gaming module with a news ticker.
>
> Rohen Peterson


From akeen at falcon.csc.calpoly.edu  Fri Mar  3 12:05:06 2006
From: akeen at falcon.csc.calpoly.edu (Aaron Keen)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:05:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
Message-ID: <200603032005.k23K56nJ023912@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>

>Why is this even being discussed? We all know vim is the solution to all 
>problems, including world hunger and AIDS.

   Finally, somebody with sense!



From des at condordes.net  Fri Mar  3 12:13:19 2006
From: des at condordes.net (Joshua J. Berry)
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 12:13:19 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <44088706.9050501@calpoly.edu>
References: <200603031659.k23Gxewg001442@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>	<440877CA.4030607@calpoly.edu>
	<44088706.9050501@calpoly.edu>
Message-ID: <4408A35F.6060901@condordes.net>

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Johannes Kienzle wrote:
> Why is this even being discussed? We all know vim is the solution to all
> problems, including world hunger and AIDS.

I have a confession to make...

I've started using emacs for playing around with Lisp.  But it's only for
Lisp programming!  I still use vim for everything else. >_>


- --
Joshua J. Berry

"I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere."
    -- /usr/games/fortune
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From srees at calpoly.edu  Fri Mar  3 13:18:42 2006
From: srees at calpoly.edu (Sean-Paul Rees)
Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:18:42 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <4408A35F.6060901@condordes.net>
References: <200603031659.k23Gxewg001442@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>	<440877CA.4030607@calpoly.edu>
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Message-ID: <E878190D-85B5-4728-A27F-7FE3F6A36CB1@calpoly.edu>

Famous last words...


On Mar 3, 2006, at 12:13 PM, Joshua J. Berry wrote:

>
> I've started using emacs for playing around with Lisp.  But it's  
> only for
> Lisp programming!  I still use vim for everything else. >_>

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From professorohki at earthlink.net  Sun Mar  5 00:35:39 2006
From: professorohki at earthlink.net (Shea Clifford)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 00:35:39 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
Message-ID: <29204960.1141547739490.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I once had to write a program with tools lent to me by an... ag major.  He called it a "pensail" or something to that effect.  Very primitive.  It seemed to be constructed out of a stone pressed within a wooden cylinder.  You rubbed the stone tip against a sheet of what appeared to be dried and pressed plant fiber, leaving shavings embedded in the material.

--Shea Clifford


From emtgreg at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  5 01:38:41 2006
From: emtgreg at yahoo.com (Gregory Siragusa)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 01:38:41 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <29204960.1141547739490.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <200603050938.k259cgCu017575@pi.cubicle.net>

Similarly, I hear that some ag majors have a tendency to directly acquire
their foodstuffs, by actually "killing" various animals and using their
flesh as food.  This is completely different than what civilized people do
by purchasing sterile wrapped food products from government approved
distribution centers that are regularly inspected by trained professionals.

-----Original Message-----
From: chatter-bounces at lists.cplug.org
[mailto:chatter-bounces at lists.cplug.org] On Behalf Of Shea Clifford
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:36 AM
To: chatter at cplug.org
Subject: Re: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs

I once had to write a program with tools lent to me by an... ag major.  He
called it a "pensail" or something to that effect.  Very primitive.  It
seemed to be constructed out of a stone pressed within a wooden cylinder.
You rubbed the stone tip against a sheet of what appeared to be dried and
pressed plant fiber, leaving shavings embedded in the material.

--Shea Clifford
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From rpeterso at calpoly.edu  Sun Mar  5 04:13:57 2006
From: rpeterso at calpoly.edu (Rohen Peterson)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:13:57 +0000
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <200603050938.k259cgCu017575@pi.cubicle.net>
References: <200603050938.k259cgCu017575@pi.cubicle.net>
Message-ID: <440AD605.7090607@calpoly.edu>

Ok, this needs to get back to the point here.   Emacs is bloated.  Emacs
has annoying key-combos.  Emacs looks funny.  If you deny any of the
above, I bet there is at least 1 add-on that satisfies the situation.

Rohen Peterson

Gregory Siragusa wrote:
> Similarly, I hear that some ag majors have a tendency to directly acquire
> their foodstuffs, by actually "killing" various animals and using their
> flesh as food.  This is completely different than what civilized people do
> by purchasing sterile wrapped food products from government approved
> distribution centers that are regularly inspected by trained professionals.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: chatter-bounces at lists.cplug.org
> [mailto:chatter-bounces at lists.cplug.org] On Behalf Of Shea Clifford
> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:36 AM
> To: chatter at cplug.org
> Subject: Re: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
> 
> I once had to write a program with tools lent to me by an... ag major.  He
> called it a "pensail" or something to that effect.  Very primitive.  It
> seemed to be constructed out of a stone pressed within a wooden cylinder.
> You rubbed the stone tip against a sheet of what appeared to be dried and
> pressed plant fiber, leaving shavings embedded in the material.
> 
> --Shea Clifford
> _______________________________________________
> Chatter mailing list
> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
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From bswagner at calpoly.edu  Sun Mar  5 13:39:10 2006
From: bswagner at calpoly.edu (Red Wagner)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 13:39:10 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <440AD605.7090607@calpoly.edu>
References: <200603050938.k259cgCu017575@pi.cubicle.net>
	<440AD605.7090607@calpoly.edu>
Message-ID: <53129ef70603051339l4037ceabwb8cc75998427926b@mail.gmail.com>

I've never understood this argument.  Just use emacs, it can make
anyone happy, there are three different vi emulators in it (vi-mode,
vip-mode, viper-mode), so if you don't like emacs, just use one of
those....

http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/Emulation.html

-Red

On 3/5/06, Rohen Peterson <rpeterso at calpoly.edu> wrote:
> Ok, this needs to get back to the point here.   Emacs is bloated.  Emacs
> has annoying key-combos.  Emacs looks funny.  If you deny any of the
> above, I bet there is at least 1 add-on that satisfies the situation.
>
> Rohen Peterson
>
> Gregory Siragusa wrote:
> > Similarly, I hear that some ag majors have a tendency to directly acquire
> > their foodstuffs, by actually "killing" various animals and using their
> > flesh as food.  This is completely different than what civilized people do
> > by purchasing sterile wrapped food products from government approved
> > distribution centers that are regularly inspected by trained professionals.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: chatter-bounces at lists.cplug.org
> > [mailto:chatter-bounces at lists.cplug.org] On Behalf Of Shea Clifford
> > Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:36 AM
> > To: chatter at cplug.org
> > Subject: Re: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
> >
> > I once had to write a program with tools lent to me by an... ag major.  He
> > called it a "pensail" or something to that effect.  Very primitive.  It
> > seemed to be constructed out of a stone pressed within a wooden cylinder.
> > You rubbed the stone tip against a sheet of what appeared to be dried and
> > pressed plant fiber, leaving shavings embedded in the material.
> >
> > --Shea Clifford
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chatter mailing list
> > Chatter at lists.cplug.org
> > http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chatter mailing list
> > Chatter at lists.cplug.org
> > http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter
> >
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> Chatter mailing list
> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter
>



From akeen at falcon.csc.calpoly.edu  Sun Mar  5 13:44:47 2006
From: akeen at falcon.csc.calpoly.edu (Aaron Keen)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 13:44:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
Message-ID: <200603052144.k25Lilpt023613@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>

>I've never understood this argument.  Just use emacs, it can make
>anyone happy, there are three different vi emulators in it (vi-mode,
>vip-mode, viper-mode), so if you don't like emacs, just use one of
>those....

   See the second sentence of Rohen's email below.  Your argument is like
saying that Windows is ok because you can still run a bunch of the gnu
utilities.

>On 3/5/06, Rohen Peterson <rpeterso at calpoly.edu> wrote:
>> Ok, this needs to get back to the point here.   Emacs is bloated.  Emacs
>> has annoying key-combos.  Emacs looks funny.  If you deny any of the
>> above, I bet there is at least 1 add-on that satisfies the situation.




From rpeterso at calpoly.edu  Sun Mar  5 05:48:19 2006
From: rpeterso at calpoly.edu (Rohen Peterson)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2006 13:48:19 +0000
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <53129ef70603051339l4037ceabwb8cc75998427926b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200603050938.k259cgCu017575@pi.cubicle.net>	<440AD605.7090607@calpoly.edu>
	<53129ef70603051339l4037ceabwb8cc75998427926b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <440AEC23.6040007@calpoly.edu>

Why use a pretender when you can use the real thing?

Oh, also:

emerge vim emacs -pv

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild   R   ] app-editors/vim-6.4  -acl -bash-completion -cscope +gpm
-minimal +nls +perl +python -ruby -vim-with-x 4,752 kB
[ebuild  N    ] app-editors/emacs-21.4-r1  +X -Xaw3d -gnome -leim
-lesstif +motif +nls -nosendmail 19,925 kB

Rohen Peterson

Red Wagner wrote:
> I've never understood this argument.  Just use emacs, it can make
> anyone happy, there are three different vi emulators in it (vi-mode,
> vip-mode, viper-mode), so if you don't like emacs, just use one of
> those....
> 
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/Emulation.html
> 
> -Red
> 
> On 3/5/06, Rohen Peterson <rpeterso at calpoly.edu> wrote:
>> Ok, this needs to get back to the point here.   Emacs is bloated.  Emacs
>> has annoying key-combos.  Emacs looks funny.  If you deny any of the
>> above, I bet there is at least 1 add-on that satisfies the situation.
>>
>> Rohen Peterson
>>
>> Gregory Siragusa wrote:
>>> Similarly, I hear that some ag majors have a tendency to directly acquire
>>> their foodstuffs, by actually "killing" various animals and using their
>>> flesh as food.  This is completely different than what civilized people do
>>> by purchasing sterile wrapped food products from government approved
>>> distribution centers that are regularly inspected by trained professionals.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: chatter-bounces at lists.cplug.org
>>> [mailto:chatter-bounces at lists.cplug.org] On Behalf Of Shea Clifford
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:36 AM
>>> To: chatter at cplug.org
>>> Subject: Re: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
>>>
>>> I once had to write a program with tools lent to me by an... ag major.  He
>>> called it a "pensail" or something to that effect.  Very primitive.  It
>>> seemed to be constructed out of a stone pressed within a wooden cylinder.
>>> You rubbed the stone tip against a sheet of what appeared to be dried and
>>> pressed plant fiber, leaving shavings embedded in the material.
>>>
>>> --Shea Clifford
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chatter mailing list
>>> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
>>> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chatter mailing list
>>> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
>>> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chatter mailing list
>> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
>> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter
> 


From bswagner at calpoly.edu  Sun Mar  5 14:11:45 2006
From: bswagner at calpoly.edu (Red Wagner)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:11:45 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <200603052144.k25Lilpt023613@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
References: <200603052144.k25Lilpt023613@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>
Message-ID: <53129ef70603051411v235e1131x400b3e984b79cfe3@mail.gmail.com>

Did...  did you just compare emacs to windows?

Man, you just invoked the LUG version of godwin's law, hereby known as
"Red's Law," which states:

          "As a Linux user group thread grows longer, the probability
           of a comparison involving Windows approaches one."
-Red

PS.  I'd call Keen a Nazi at this point, but according to Quirk's
Exception, Intentional invocation of the so-called "Nazi Clause" is
ineffectual.

On 3/5/06, Aaron Keen <akeen at falcon.csc.calpoly.edu> wrote:
> >I've never understood this argument.  Just use emacs, it can make
> >anyone happy, there are three different vi emulators in it (vi-mode,
> >vip-mode, viper-mode), so if you don't like emacs, just use one of
> >those....
>
>   See the second sentence of Rohen's email below.  Your argument is like
> saying that Windows is ok because you can still run a bunch of the gnu
> utilities.
>
> >On 3/5/06, Rohen Peterson <rpeterso at calpoly.edu> wrote:
> >> Ok, this needs to get back to the point here.   Emacs is bloated.  Emacs
> >> has annoying key-combos.  Emacs looks funny.  If you deny any of the
> >> above, I bet there is at least 1 add-on that satisfies the situation.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chatter mailing list
> Chatter at lists.cplug.org
> http://lists.cplug.org/mailman/listinfo/chatter
>



From akeen at falcon.csc.calpoly.edu  Sun Mar  5 14:17:58 2006
From: akeen at falcon.csc.calpoly.edu (Aaron Keen)
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 14:17:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
Message-ID: <200603052217.k25MHwO5025677@falcon.csc.calpoly.edu>

>Did...  did you just compare emacs to windows?

   Yes.  In the same way that people compare Satan and Beelzebub.

To-may-to, to-maw-to.

   Smith uses emacs on Windows.  I'm pretty sure those are the first to
levels of hell.  Dante just didn't give the actual names.



From andrew at andrewfarris.com  Tue Mar  7 03:58:45 2006
From: andrew at andrewfarris.com (Andrew J Farris)
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 03:58:45 -0800
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <440AD605.7090607@calpoly.edu>
References: <200603050938.k259cgCu017575@pi.cubicle.net>
	<440AD605.7090607@calpoly.edu>
Message-ID: <440D7575.9040402@andrewfarris.com>

Rohen Peterson wrote:
> Ok, this needs to get back to the point here.   Emacs is bloated.  Emacs
> has annoying key-combos.  Emacs looks funny.  If you deny any of the
> above, I bet there is at least 1 add-on that satisfies the situation.
> 
> Rohen Peterson

Just saying 'Emacs'.. says it all.  The name is even hard to use.
- andrew


From ciera.christopher at gmail.com  Thu Mar  2 20:22:23 2006
From: ciera.christopher at gmail.com (Ciera Christopher)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 23:22:23 -0500
Subject: [CPLUG Chatter] Emacs
In-Reply-To: <4407626A.5030601@calpoly.edu>
References: <4407626A.5030601@calpoly.edu>
Message-ID: <f29c31680603022022m6f6890f8hbf923f9cc00c2d84@mail.gmail.com>

The answer is yes, but that won't stop us from getting involved in
petty religious wars.

Emacs suck. The only thing that sucks worse than emacs is any plugin
written for emacs simply because they help to proliferate
the...suckiness. Yeah.

Vi forever.

~Ciera

On 3/2/06, Hugh Smith <husmith at calpoly.edu> wrote:
>
> Emacs!
>
> What have you all graduated?
>
> Hugh
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